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I would argue the ammount of space in cities wasted on cars and their infrastructure is totally insane.


And again, the conversation here is about delivery trucks, not cars.

Eliminating cars doesn’t eliminate the need for infrastructure for moving goods.


> Eliminating cars doesn’t eliminate the need for infrastructure for moving goods.

Burying other last mile utilities that waste less land was not insane when real estate was a fraction as valuable as now and engineering technology was worse.


I wonder how many miles of fiber would have been laid if fiber required a tunnel big enough to drive a delivery truck through.


You bring up an interesting point for the US to have a first world level of fiber to the home it needs to require diesel.


When I see bad faith arguments like this I earnestly worry that maybe sometimes I do the same and just don’t recognize it.

Did you read my comment about the cost of laying fiber being far different from the cost of digging truck-sized tunnels and make a conscious choice to pretend I was making a nonsense argument about diesel-powered fiber, or did you construct this strawman without realizing it?


I don't think you are trying to look at it rationally but simply in terms of priors where sprawl has cost an immense amount of resources. A tunnel where 2 pallets can cross is not much larger than a sewer, fits bellow a pedestrian/emergency vehicle system and is more valuable than a larger tunnel because it can never be DoT approved.




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