People who don’t really follow the region often paint Israeli moves as a "land grab." But since Oct 7, 2023, Israel’s been taking a much more active line against jihadist groups across the neighborhood. And look at Syria: the current president, Ahmed al-Sharaa (better known as Abu Mohammad al-Julani), used to lead HTS and before that Jabhat al-Nusra—both tied to al-Qaeda. That’s not exactly a situation where "just wait it out" sounds responsible. For years, most Israelis backed a two-state solution. That faith took a beating after the Second Intifada, and support’s been sliding and splitting along political lines ever since. Over the last two decades, extremists on both sides took over most of the public debate, and "peace talks" became a heresy. When you talk to pro-Palestinian-state advocates, a simple litmus test is:"Do you accept Israel’s right to exist?" Too often, the answer is no. With this kind of line of thought, you can't really make peace - this is exactly what "River to the Sea" mean to Israelis who hear people all over the world chanting this phrase.
If you want unfiltered street-level vibes from both sides, Corey Gil-Shuster’s YouTube channel is a gold mine of candid answers. You'd be surprised how many times the notion of palestinian "peace" is judenfrei Isreal (Saying basically, that jews should go back to europe)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xH1iV1fb2pg
I don't know how that justifies not even giving the Palestinians a fair chance to evacuate into other countries, and just genociding all of their civilians instead without this option.
That's not true - Palestinians are allowed to evacuate. The border has been closed by Egypt, not by Israel. Just this month, for example, a group of children was evacuated and flown to the UK for urgent treatment. Since Gaza has no airport, they could only leave through Egypt or Israel.
For context, there was an Israeli volunteer organization called Road to Recovery, made up of citizens who drove patients/children, the elderly, and others—from the border crossings to hospitals across Israel for medical care. Many of the volunteers lived near Gaza themselves. On October 7th, when Hamas invaded Israel, those very volunteers were deliberately targeted and murdered. One of them was Vivian Silver, a remarkable woman who dedicated years to this mission.
The cruelty, hatred, and fanaticism of Hamas is almost impossible to grasp for those who don’t live with it. It’s easy to get swept up in narratives shaped by popular media, but those accounts are rarely impartial when it comes to this conflict.
Gaza had one, care to explain what happened to it. I would say it was before the October 7th.
Israel took control of Rafah border. And do not give full control to Egypt. Egypt, under the tripartite agreement with US and Israel is restricted heavily to be subservient to Israel. Stop the lies please.
>they could only leave through Egypt or Israel.
Gaza has, you know, a sea? Into Mediterranean. But ITF shoots down Palestinians, and detains anyone who goes there, par for the rogue nation it is. Yes, before Oct 7th.
> Palestinians are allowed to evacuate. The border has been closed by Egypt
That is is no way a proper structured way to evacuate. When evaluating the suitability of evacuation, put yourself in their shoes, and think: "would that have worked for you and your family?" Hamas would presumably have the tunnels to Egypt under tight control, preventing their use for evacuation. People and families need a structured way to evacuate, like being offered free buses that drive them to a country that will accept them. If this cannot be done, at least help them establish tunnels into Egypt with open access.
As I see it, the cruelty/hatred/genociding is on both sides, both Palestine and Israel; there is no difference.
Don't get me wrong because I do want Israel to thrive, but in a civilized way, not by being despicable. A point of existence is civilization, not barbarism.
Can you point a war in the history of the world where one side sent buses to evacuate the enemy civilian population out of the way? Do you realize how absurd this expectation is?
Israel send leaflets, phone messages and phone calls to alert people in Gaza of an impending strike, that's much more than anything done by any warring country in history.
I completely agree with your last statement. The issue here is that there's an organization which doesn't value life and wishes for martyrdom for its members and the entire society that it governs. For this sake - every act is justified and even praised.
With regard to the people of Gaza, I do understand that their mind is afflicted by a crazy mind virus that makes several of them into terrorists, but this virus seems to have rubbed off on Israel just the same. Don't become the terrorist you want to eliminate.
I agree.
Israel has been radicallized. As an Israeli, I can say with a lot of confidence that people in my immediate circle despise the current government.
> The Promised Land, as outlined in the Bible, encompasses parts of Israel, Palestinian Territories, Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, Egypt, and Iraq, depending on the breadth of the passage being referenced.
