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About dang time. Hey Facebook, your turn.


The Model S and X both have two screens -- one behind the steering wheel, and one in a portrait orientation to the right of the driver. The Model 3 and Y are the ones that have only a single screen to the right of the driver in a landscape orientation.


The app does talk directly to the car, when you're in range of Bluetooth. That's how the phone key functions, all handoff and communications are done via bluetooth, not the internet when the devices are in range. Even with my phone in airplane mode (WiFi/Cellular disabled), and only Bluetooth on, I'm still able to unlock/lock the car, drive, and open the frunk/trunk.


That's not what I meant. I mean why can't the app learn the car's IP address using the cloud and then just connect directly to the car? That way if the cloud goes down it still works as long as its IP doesn't change.

It just amazes me that literally everything has to round trip to the cloud for everything. It's like we forgot that things can connect to each other.


This doesn't have to do with communicating with the car.

I believe internet is needed because tesla acts as a CA for your phone. That allows you to revoke a device, for instance if it were stolen. My guess is that the phone has authorizations that it renews fairly frequently and in this case apps could renew auths so once the current set expired you couldn't use the phone to unlock, etc. I can't immediately think of a better solution to the problem that allows using a phone for some functions and being able to remotely revoke a device.

If letsencrypt went down we'd similarly see a large portion of sites be inaccessible through browsers after 90 days even though you could directly connect to those servers


It must be a pretty frequent CA refresh or a must-be-online OCSP server situation for a short outage to cause that much havoc.


Having your car be directly connectable from the Internet opens a whole can of worms for security.


Why is it harder to secure the cloud endpoint than the car? Is it immune to remote attacks because it lives in a data center? A CPU is a CPU. Code is code.

Having every car aggregated at one cloud system means if you got into that you could simultaneously attack every single Tesla in the world.

There is no good reason for this. It's just a mixture of "how things are done nowadays" and superstition.


Even with my phone in Airplane mode (WiFi / Cellular disabled), and only Bluetooth on, I'm still able to get into my Model 3. Internet connection is not required by the car, or the phone, to be able to unlock the car, drive, or operate the frunk / trunk.


It is required if your app hasn't downloaded a new cert. If you're still able to get in via Bluetooth, it's only because the cert on your phone is still valid. Once that cert expires, you'll be locked out.


Model S and X don't have the same bluetooth antennas to do the proximity triangulation is my understanding and rely on the network connection from Car -> Tesla and App -> Tesla to unlock and start so may be different for S and X drivers?


Actually the S and X were not affected all by these since they have dedicated key fobs. No internet or bluetooth is involved.


Just because you don't know anyone that uses Snapchat doesn't make that an authoritative source on popularity of a company. Snap's user base has grown consistently and show's no signs of slowing down, even against increase competition in the space (https://www.statista.com/statistics/545967/snapchat-app-dau/). TikTok is the "Vine replacement" since Vine was bought by Twitter and shutdown. Vine wasn't a "fad" that faded away, it was actively shutdown by its parent company, likely would still exist to this day in a non-insignificant way had that not happen.


SnapChat still isn't profitable. After these years they still haven't figured out how to best monetize their platform are are sustained by their IPO money.

Vine was absurdly popular but couldn't figure out how to monetize short-form video content. I don't see how TikTok is going to overcome these same challenges.

Even YouTube had a long and slow road to profitability. Video is hard.


Well, I used to know many people who used it and they have all stopped. I wasn’t basing it on “I don’t know anyone who uses it” but rather “everyone I know who used I no longer does”.


Why did twitter shut it down?


They never monetized it despite Vine getting people to join Twitter.


That's the thing, the rules aren't clearly defined, and aren't universally equally enforced and thinking that they are is naive. I've had numerous apps launch without question, then in a subsequent update have gotten rejected for stipulations in the App Store guidelines that I honestly don't remember reading, only to appeal and have the appeal succeed and my update be approved. It is, and always has been, up to the reviewer you get as soon as you get passed the automated binary checks.


Could someone copy / paste the text here for those of us who have blocked *.facebook.com domains in our /etc/hosts file?


I just shared the following note with our employees, and I want to share it with all of you as well.

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As we continue to process this difficult moment, I want to acknowledge the real pain expressed by members of our community. I also want to acknowledge that the decision I made last week has left many of you angry, disappointed and hurt. So I am especially grateful that, despite your heartfelt disagreement, you remain focused on taking positive steps to move forward. That can't be easy, so I just want to say I hear you and I'm grateful.

I believe our platforms can play a positive role in helping to heal the divisions in our society, and I'm committed to making sure our work pulls in this direction. To all of you who have already worked tirelessly on ideas to improve, I thank you. You're making a difference, and together we'll make a difference. And while we will continue to stand for giving everyone a voice and erring on the side of free expression in these difficult decisions -- even when it's speech we strongly and viscerally disagree with -- I'm committed to making sure we also fight for voter engagement and racial justice too.

Many of you have asked what concrete steps we can start working on to improve our products and policies. I want to share more about the seven areas I discussed at Q&A that we're focusing on initially. Based on feedback from employees, civil rights experts and subject matter experts internally, we're exploring the following areas, which fit into three categories: ideas related to specific policies, ideas related to decision-making, and proactive initiatives to advance racial justice and voter engagement. I want to be clear that while we are looking at all of these areas, we may not come up with changes we want to make in all of them.

Ideas related to specific policies:

1. We're going to review our policies allowing discussion and threats of state use of force to see if there are any amendments we should adopt. There are two specific situations under this policy that we're going to review. The first is around instances of excessive use of police or state force. Given the sensitive history in the US, this deserves special consideration. The second case is around when a country has ongoing civil unrest or violent conflicts. We already have precedents for imposing greater restrictions during emergencies and when countries are in ongoing states of conflict, so there may be additional policies or integrity measures to consider around discussion or threats of state use of force when a country is in this state.

2. We're going to review our policies around voter suppression to make sure we're taking into account the realities of voting in the midst of a pandemic. I have confidence in the election integrity efforts we've implemented since 2016. We've played a role in protecting many elections and now have some of the most advanced systems in the world. But there's a good chance that there will be unprecedented fear and confusion around going to the polls in November, and some will likely try to capitalize on that confusion. For example, as politicians debate what the vote-by-mail policies should be in different states, what should be the line between a legitimate debate about the voting policies and attempts to confuse or suppress individuals about how, when or where to vote? If a newspaper publishes articles claiming that going to polls will be dangerous given Covid, how should we determine whether that is health information or voter suppression?

3. We're going to review potential options for handling violating or partially-violating content aside from the binary leave-it-up or take-it-down decisions. I know many of you think we should have labeled the President's posts in some way last week. Our current policy is that if content is actually inciting violence, then the right mitigation is to take that content down -- not let people continue seeing it behind a flag. There is no exception to this policy for politicians or newsworthiness. I think this policy is principled and reasonable, but I also respect a lot of the people who think there may be better alternatives, so I want to make sure we hear all those ideas. I started meeting with the team yesterday and we're continuing the discussion soon. In general, I worry that this approach has a risk of leading us to editorialize on content we don't like even if it doesn't violate our policies, so I think we need to proceed very carefully.

Ideas related to decision-making:

4. We're going to work on establishing a clearer and more transparent decision-making process. This is clearly not the last difficult decision we're going to have to make, and I agree with the feedback from many of you that we should have a more transparent process about how we weigh the different values and equities at stake, including safety and privacy. I think we can provide more transparency into what goes into the policy briefings and recommendations that get sent to me. These analyses are done thoroughly by Monika Bickert's team and take into account many voices. Since I accept the team's recommendations the vast majority of the time, this process is where I think we should focus most on transparency. For the most sensitive escalations where I discuss with the team further rather than just accepting their recommendation over email, we can try to outline how we incorporate all perspectives into those follow-up discussions as well, even though that tends to vary depending on the equities at stake in each decision.

5. More broadly, we're going to review whether we need to change anything structurally to make sure the right groups and voices are at the table -- not only when decisions affecting a certain group are being made, but when other decisions that may set precedents are being made as well. I'm committed to elevating the representation of diversity, inclusion and human rights in our processes and management team discussions, and I will follow up soon with specific thoughts on how we can structurally improve this.

Proactive initiatives to advance racial justice and voter engagement:

6. We've started a workstream for building products to advance racial justice. Many of you have shared ideas in the past few days on product improvements we can look at, and I've been impressed by how quickly we've moved here. I've asked Fidji to be responsible for this work, and Ime will be shifting some volunteers from our New Products Experimentation team to focus on this as well. They'll have more to share on the first set of projects we're planning to take on soon.

7. We're building a voter hub to double down on our previous get-out-the-vote efforts. At the end of the day, voting is the best way to hold our leaders accountable and address many of these long term questions about justice. Our efforts will draw on lessons we learned from our successful Covid Information Center in order to make our voting and civic engagement efforts as central as our efforts around Covid recovery. We'll focus on making sure everyone has access to accurate and authoritative information about voting, as well as building tools to encourage people to register to vote and help them encourage their friends and communities to vote as well. In 2016, we ran one of the largest get out the vote efforts in history. I expect us to do even better in 2020.

To members of our Black community: I stand with you. Your lives matter. Black lives matter.

We have so far to go to overcome racial injustice in America and around the world, and we all have a responsibility and opportunity to change that. I believe our platforms will play a positive role in this, but we have work to do to make sure our role is as positive as possible. These ideas are a starting point and I'm sure we'll find more to do as we continue on this journey. I encourage you all to also check out Maxine’s post about how you can give direct feedback on product, integrity and content policy ideas as well. Thanks for all your input so far, and I'm looking forward to making progress together over the coming weeks and months.


Thank you!


Why not just unblock it to read? It’s right within your sphere of action


Best way to figure out how complex things fail is to keep pushing them to their limit and observe


Could also be mentioning of "quarantine" directly. Might make sense to make your app description more generic to just being home, so that it will still be applicable after the COVID-19 pandemic has come to a conclusion.


Yeah, makes me wonder if apps for "stay at home" parents are getting hit too, despite the fact that the expression is decades old.


We're almost entirely migrated into GCP now, roughly 95% done. Here's a CodeAsCraft article from when we started the project in 2018 about how we selected GCP vs AWS or Azure, and what the expected effort to migrate would be: https://codeascraft.com/2018/01/04/selecting-a-cloud-provide...


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