Hi, I just wish to update that: since fullsoak@v0.9.0, support for Cloudflare Workers has been added in experimental mode :)

Enabling this on Cloudflare Workers has been a rather challenging journey, due to the fact that the file-system APIs (that FullSoak uses) are not available on Cloudflare Workers. In fact there are still some bugs to squash, but I'm excited to share an early PoC: https://github.com/fullsoak/cloudflare-workers-examples

Live Demo here: https://fullsoak-cloudflare-workers-examples.dklab.workers.d...

Nice! I'll check out this demo in the morning

I keep a #buildinpublic blog for FullSoak on my bsky page: https://bsky.app/profile/mrkha.ng

Not sure if it's better than a Discord or sth like Tulips chat, but imho it doesn't matter, as long as there's a safe "draft space" to jot down the thinking-out-loud process, all while getting potentially feedback & help from everyone.

My next immediate exploration goals: make this framework compatible with deployment solutions such as Cloudflare Workers and Smallweb.run - atm I can't guarantee 100% success rate, but excited to see how it turns out.

Hi! Kudos for the work on SmallWeb. I actually attempted to run this on your platform as well. I was able to run it partially on Cloudflare workers, so I trust it's compatible with environments like SmallWeb as well. Let's see!

I managed (with some struggles) to get it deployed with Cloudflare Workers here: https://fullsoak-cloudflare-example.dklab.workers.dev/

But it's a long way until it's groomed & released as a standard feature. I'll share more details in the near future!

I'll also check val.town later. On a related note: someone was suggesting https://www.smallweb.run/ as well.

It would be cool if it's supported everywhere :)

i like that sound of that. Possibility for a nice logo image too!

it's a valid question. In the JavaScript / TypeScript community, we usually understand "fullstack" as "isomorphic": https://www.lullabot.com/articles/what-is-an-isomorphic-appl...

Laravel and RoR are veteran giants in the Web Framework industry. I'm sure they cover "isomorphy" in their own ways, just that at the time they were born, the terms "isomorphic" and "fullstack" weren't even coiled.

This "FullSoak" framework is by no means aimed to be as full-fledged as the likes of Laravel / RoR / or even other JavaScript frameworks such as Next.js, Remix, SvelteKit, etc. - but it stays true to the "isomorphy" concept, where the same code is runnable on the browser & the server alike.

Hi! My apologies if the wording was confusing :( By "no build" I mostly meant "no bundling" (so: we're not combining all files into a single js bundle entry).

As for JSX itself: if we choose to use it, for sure we still need to transform it back to vanilla JS. I elaborate more in this wiki: https://github.com/fullsoak/fullsoak/wiki/Concepts-&-Example...

my appreciations!

You're absolutely correct at the "problems that build steps do". One example is the whole loader stuff (e.g. SCSS, Less, and the plethora of other things we can "just import (tm)" into our TSX components). For now it was a conscious decision that I keep things "stupid simple" as I shared in a Bsky post: https://bsky.app/profile/mrkha.ng/post/3lg3qw377ss27

Re. the "selling" part, it's also my wish to see how people resonate with this. Maybe not the framework itself, but only the concept of using standard specs (ie importmap + TypeScript runtime) - & since it's just bare standards, let's see if it attracts frictions (or not).

kudos to the MithrilJS project & also for having earned visibility on OpenCollective <3 I can see the (much respected) history track of this project.

Having "survived" the "Internet Explorer ages" of the www, I can share that my heart always has a slot for "vanilla JS" (& anything towards its direction). When coding solo and/or for light-weight (enough) projects, I also tended to do pure JS.

thank you! You may find a Live Demo example (deployed as a Bun app) mentioned in this wiki: https://github.com/fullsoak/fullsoak/wiki/Concepts-&-Example...

And Jude was kind enough to roll out a Deno example on Glitch: https://glitch.com/~fullsoak