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And if you've been in the Fediverse for a long time, you know Friendica and Hubzilla have this feature since.


Exactly. People who save your details in their Address Book and click the "Sync your Contacts" when an app suggests it, are the loophole in privacy and security.

The only way is to have a separate set of email, phone numbers, for those family and friends who doesn't care about privacy and security, that way it is easy to dispose those information later.

Beyond that … if we truly want to avoid it … the only course of action is to not give them anything at all. Not a single email, not a single phone number, not even our home addresses.


That is exactly how I deal with it. I use a throwaway webmail address and a Google Voice number. No way they're getting my real email or phone number that I use for work and clients.


You're not avoiding having a shadow account created about you though, once I've upload my contact list and you're right there, Jim Wyclif, with your real phone number, and I've also tagged you in a photo we took together last year. And then there are all the other people who have your real phone number and who have been on Facebook, Messgenger, Instagram, or WhatsApp since they saved the number. And then there's even relatives and former classmates and co-workers who've looked up your name and typed in your town, school, and/or former company to find you. When I use Facebook, it still recommends former classmates and acquaintances who I literally looked up once ever. (As a side-note, Snapchat does the same type of things; people I've worked for in the past, as a tutor, are recommended to me on the "Add Friends" page.)


I wonder if there would be a market for a cloud-synced, client-side-encrypted address book app for say $1/month.


I associate "The Krusty Krab" to fake/secondary/tertiary/spam profiles. People I know personally and those I was able to confirm as legitimate profiles doesn't use that or any other fake information (or just leave it empty most of the time). I only see such fake information in accounts used to advertise their business in someone else's threads.


Culture / group related maybe? I have barely any friends on Facebook with real work details - a lot of them are made up. Especially doctors like to keep their profession (and real names) private.


What ultimately caught my attention is this: "Quantum channels send messages embedded in light, and experts say that attempts to disrupt or eavesdrop on them would create detectable disturbances in the system."

How long will China will let that happen?


Made good points but missed the fact that social networks like Facebook and Google started like decentralised networks today. In the Philippines, Facebook wasn't popular at all when Friendster and MySpace were kicking. It was only after the demise of Friendster, and the MySpace was forgotten, that Facebook gained attention. It's similar for decentralised networks. Secondly, decentralised networks are good as it is. It does not have to be the "next Facebook" or the "next Twitter", although many such networks and writers dubbed these as such. Slow growth and adoption is better than an explosive one. These networks are being developed generally for free and offered for free, with no ads whatsoever even. The developers are few and they do it during their free time. Thus a slow adoption is to its advantage.

I use decentralized networks, even used to run my own instance.


> While we're here, can someone explain how a "dream within a dream" works in Inception ?

Exactly like that. It happens in real-life and no doubt that's where they based it from. It happened to me a couple of times already, the deepest I got was 4 levels.

Real-life sleeping > level 1: sleeping > Level 2: sleeping > Level 3: sleeping > level 4: awake

Usually, it was very bad. A form of nightmare. You slowly get aware of it, even to the point that your brain tells you that you are awake. Then when something happens that you want to wake up (for example, you died, or you suddenly got aware you're sleeping), you will indeed wake up, up to the next level.

Once again, your brain will tell you that you are finally awake.

The first experience I had of this was when I was barely a teenager. It was a nightmare within a nightmare within a nightmare within a nightmare. When I got fully aware I was sleeping, that's when I fought, waking up, then waking up, then waking up, then finally waking up to the real world.

Problem was, I was no longer sure if it was the real world I woke up to. To this day, I sometimes think I am still sleeping.

Just like the other ending in Inception. Hence I love that movie. I can relate.


> To this day, I sometimes think I am still sleeping.

This is a well-known problem in the lucid dreaming community. There are some surprisingly easy ways to check. I find the simplest is to count my fingers out loud. If there are definitely five on each hand, then I'm awake. If there's any problem coming up with a count, then I'm asleep, no matter how much it seems like I'm awake.


Unless that's just a feature of the deeper dream levels, not this one...

(I also have dreams where I wake up over and over and over, only to realize that shit, I'm still dreaming. It's surprisingly disconcerting, there's a kind of physical sense of losing my mind involved.)


Honestly you could just lack the awareness to notice. That's not a slight against you, acute awareness in the dream state is not an innate ability and must be practiced frequently in order to be successful with it.

In any dream state, you can test the rules of the world around you and see that your brain doesn't quite build the world to completeness. Light switches will not work, text will morph and shift either in front of your eyes or when you look away and turn back, the people around you will spontaneously morph into others, you can breathe through your nose when it's plugged, etc.

What happened to you is referred to as a false awakening. Testing the reality of your situation by checking clocks, breathing through your nose, counting your fingers, etc. will all quickly put you into a more lucid and aware state. From there you either continue or, more commonly, you wake up.


> Testing the reality of your situation by checking clocks, breathing through your nose, counting your fingers, etc. will all quickly put you into a more lucid and aware state.

I haven't thought of that. What became my anchor for the past few years have been my schedule or being aware of it.

But there were rare cases when in my dream state, the reality is happening in the dream and that totally puts me off greatly. A good example is when I'm dreaming I woke up, went to work, and got home.

When I woke up, I didn't know until I arrived at the office and learned no day has passed yet.


Ooh, interesting. I learned to lucid dream in my late teens or early 20s and I've enjoyed it most of the time (except those times when I'm losing control).

It's true, if you're too much into lucid dreaming, there are times when you can't tell if you've woken up. Parts of the dream spill overs in the waking world.


Does pulling your hands in opposite directions work for you?

It worked for me once and I got really excited. Too excited and woke up :(. Never happened again (not that I've been trying).


one time i tried this and each of my fingertips turned into little hands with the same dexterity of my hands. needless to say i believe i was asleep.


Once after I spent the whole day writing a parser in Haskell I had a dream in which I was falling asleep under a tree, but such that first my torso fell asleep, then my arms/legs, then my head, fingers, toes, etc. Cracked me up.


I used to get those as well as a kid. The technique, nightmare-within-nightmare was a trope of 80s horror movies and that's where we got it (incepted?) I believe :)

On the movie, I think the really interesting part was not the recursive dreaming but rather how our ideas- that we think are novel - are not actually ours. After watching it, me and my wife started observing it on each other. Me or she would come up with something and the other would point out some conversation in the recent past that seeded it. Fun and a bit scary.


True. In the creative writing world, there is this notion that we are all pulling the ideas from our stories in some alternate space where ideas freely flow.

And when we notice how our original idea (and we're sure it's the first) is too similar to another who beat us to publication, yet both parties are sure no one copied anyone... well, it gives credence to the idea that there is an alternate space out there... or maybe we can access each other's ideas on some quantum level.

Speaking of quantum level, it might even be possible altogether.


I had that happen once. In this dream, I was in a 'fake' world that had some kind of trick or flaw to it. When I found the trick, that world disappeared and I found myself in another world with a different trick. This went on all night, I think there were at least four of these worlds before I actually woke up. It messed with my head for a while.


There is a theory which states that if ever anyone discovers exactly what the Universe is for and why it is here, it will instantly disappear and be replaced by something even more bizarre and inexplicable.

There is another theory which states that this has already happened.

— Douglas Adams, The Restaurant at the End of the Universe


Ooh, interesting, very interesting! (And scary)


Another movie with the same theme is Waking Life. I also found it a lot more thought-provoking than Inception.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0243017/


Thanks, I'll watch it!


That sounds horrifying.


Yep. And the nightmare, of all things, is Dracula and vampires. I'm aware of Dracula, but vampires, didn't even know that term then (early to mid 90s).


when the first dream "forks" and the new dream narrative starts, are you aware that this new dream is "inside" the host dream ?


Nope. Usually when I first become aware of the dream world, I am already levels deep. The only time I became aware of those levels is when I start to wake up and I ended up still being in a dream totally different from the level I woke up from.

I've been trying to figure out how to know I am levels deep but to no avail.


Same here. I can load sites with AMP (or its competitors) faster on my low-end to mid-range phones fine, and on a metered Internet connection.

As much as I don't like it on a webmaster / blogger perspective, it does help a lot in getting a wider audience than by only offering a "responsive theme".


My newly bought phone from last year was infected by this, even after resetting to factory, not even rooted yet.

I can't understand what was happening and how it got it, and no app can detect it. I've reported it to various groups and security experts, and finally, they found what was happening!

When I rooted the phone and installed a port of a Samsung ROM, that's when I noticed requests Zygote app which were all suspicious. For some reason, the custom ROM can intercept and show the suspicious requests, and block all the ads. The original ROM, even if rooted, can not block any of the popup ads, not even intercept the Zygote request.


Yes, exactly. For those who are not like you and me, people who probably subscribe to "if you have nothing hide…" will suddenly get suspicious of us. Sure, maybe not terrorism, maybe buying "unusual" items, say illegal drugs.

It's the way they worded it. Too encompassing. Lacking information, and yes, distributing leaflets. People who doesn't understand what the dark web is will simply believe what they've read. (And "dark" being in the phrase…)


Add to that, the intelligence the Philippines gave to the US re: threat of, what we later know as, 9/11, was ignored. No doubt (and this was also reported) because they don't trust "third-world" countries, or from intelligence agencies that is not themselves.


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