Some answers from ChatGPT just feel better than some HN comments.

wouldn’t it have saved you time to ask chatgpt instead?

if you would consider using it to answer others, why not to answer yourself?

your question puts your question into question.

Scarlett Johansson was the voice for Her. Can you imagine if the guy had seen her aesthetics as the personification of the AI? He would have fell in love even faster :) Nice movie, btw.

I forgot to mention.... I asked the same question to ChatGPT. Here goes the answer:

Q: Can you think of a sci-fi novel that feels like ChatGPT now?

A: One sci-fi novel that comes to mind is "Blindsight" by Peter Watts. The novel explores the idea of consciousness and artificial intelligence, and the protagonist is a genetically modified human who has been wired to communicate with machines. The novel delves into the concept of the mind as a kind of information processing system, and the limitations of human understanding in a universe that may be fundamentally alien to us. The themes of consciousness, communication, and the limitations of human understanding are all relevant to the way ChatGPT functions and operates.

Learn emacs! I wish I had done that 10 years ago… it teaches you so much about the tinker/hacker spirit. Also, it gives you an awesome community to be part of. Finally, you can have huge gains in productivity. Not just for code, but also organization, emails, taking notes, etc.

Nice. But the goal of the question was more around "what to teach" than "how to assess how much people learned".

Let me try a different approach here... Where do you live? Is it close to beaches with waves?

If so, maybe you could try learning to surf. It is one of the best experiences I have ever had in my life.

After you love it, you will try to stay in shape so that you can surf better. It is a very demanding sport if you want to go with small boards, since they demand strong paddling.

Price.

Would you have the expectation of monetary return (even with a remote possibility)? Or would you make such an investment for the sake of it?

In the second case, what is the difference to a donation?

The only sensible return for work in a sustainable civilization is the development of human talent, that's the only return that makes any sense: https://duckduckgo.com/?q=money+does+not+exist+in+the+future...

The pun is nice (the lecture also seems interest)! I can't believe I never use this pun on my Clojure job...

I kind of agree with you. I used to work with Common Lisp in a Desktop App (Nyxt browser). I had some fun playing with Racket. And I love Emacs. So, I am already into the Lisp idea. But, I was kind of disappointed with Clojure which is new in my life and has been used in my current job. Maybe you have a backend bias in your testimony?

I have been working with ClojureScript (re-frame and reagent) on front-end stuff and, unfortunately, the REPL does not seem to help me that much on my workflow. I miss the REPL driven development, by the way... The real "interactive programming" seems to happen on Chrome Dev Tools + Browser's reactions to Chrome Dev Tools tweaks on the UI + (lastly) changes on the source code via the editor (Emacs in my case).

Namespaces as prefix of invocations on the REPL are not that trustworthy on ClojureScript, apparently. It could also be that I am a noob and I missed something, so... How do you feel about ClojureScript?

Don't know about your exact environment but I've structured my code so most of it is in .cljc files which can be evaluated in browser and on server. This allows me to evaluate/test/run things easily in the emacs repl.

For view code I think hot reloading has been a great thing with Clojure/Script too. Everything is reloaded properly and the state remains.

You can have a cljs repl as well, and you can open an alert in the browser from it like you'd do in the console

I have basically the same experience doing cljs dev that I do with clj dev, when it comes to being REPL-driven.

I know that the setup for cljs is a bit more involved and things will break sometimes (putting a browser in the loop will do that). I have dev tools open ... but I use it less and less, between hot-reloading and a data browser (portal or reveal) hooked up to the clojurescript repl I only use dev-tools stuff occasionally (the network tab is still very important of course).

It does sound like you are missing something, I'd try out one of the shadow-cljs example projects or walkthroughs to see what an example setup includes as features to see what you might be missing.

Have you tried Figwheel[0]? This is how I maintain a REPL into a browser-based CLJS application under development.

[0]: https://figwheel.org

I don't want to overstate my experience--I've used neither professionally. But I think it's true that the repl is better with Clojure than with Clojurescript. Cider with shadow-cljs is very nice but not quite as well-supported as vanilla. Plus, the very fact that you're producing code to be rendered by a browser pushes the work you do on the pure data level, where the repl really shines, towards the background.