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The dumb part of this is: so who prompts the AI?

Well probably we'd want a person who really gets the AI, as they'll have a talent for prompting it well.

Meaning: knows how to talk to computers better than other people.

So a programmer then...

I think it's not that people are stupid. I think there's actually a glee behind the claims AI will put devs out of work - like they feel good about the idea of hurting them, rather than being driven by dispassionate logic.

Maybe it's the ancient jocks vs nerds thing.


Outside of SV the thought of More Tech being the answer to ever greater things is met with great skepticism these days. It's not that people hate engineers, and most people are content to hold their nose while the mag7 make 401k go up, but people are sick of Big Tech. Like it or not, the Musks, Karps, Thiels, Bezos's have a lot to do with that.

Popularity gets you nowhere though. What matters is money and money. Those 401k holders are tied down to the oligarchy.

Not imputing that to you, but it seems like they are people out there that believe money is all that matters. The map with the richest details won't save anyone in a territory that was turned into a wasteland unable to produce a single apple on the whole land.

Devs are where projects meet the constraints of reality and people always want to kill the messenger.

No high paid manager wants to learn that their visionary thinking was just the last iteration of the underpants gnome meme. Some things sound good at first but unfortunately are not that easy to actually do

Devs are where the project meets reality in general, and this is what I always try to explain to people. And it's the same with construction, by the way. Pictures and blueprints are nice but sooner or later you're going to need someone digging around in the dirt.

Some people just see it as a cost, one "tech" startup I worked at I got this lengthy pitch from a sales exec that they shouldn't have a software team at all, that we'd never be able to build anything useful without spending millions and that money would be better-spent on the sales team, although they'd have nothing to sell lmfao. And the real laugh was the dev team was heavily subsidized by R&D grants anyway.

Who fixes the unmaintainable mess that the AI created in which the vibe coder prompted?

The Vibe Coder? The AI?

Take a guess who fixes it.


The real question is, do you even need to fix it? Does it matter?

The reason those things matter in a traditional project is because a person needs to be able to read and understand the code.

If you're vibe coding, that's no longer true. So maybe it doesn't matter. Maybe the things we used to consider maintenance headaches are irrelevant.


For now, training these things on code and logic is the first step of building a technological singularity.

They don't need to put all developers out of work to have a financial impact on the career.

Even that is the wrong question. The whole promise of the stock market, of AI is that you can "run companies" by just owning shares and knowing nothing at all. I think that is what "leaders" hope to achieve. It's a slightly more dressed get-rich-quick scheme.

Invest $1000 into AI, have a $1000000 company in a month. That's the dream they're selling, at least until they have enough investment.

It of course becomes "oh, sorry, we happen to have taken the only huge business for ourselves. Is your kidney now for sale?"


> Invest $1000 into AI, have a $1000000 company in a month. That's the dream they're selling, at least until they have enough investment.

But you need to buy my AI engineer course for that first.


> who prompts the AI

LLMs are a box where the input has to be generated by someone/something, but also the output has to be verified somehow (because, like humans, it isn't always correct). So you either need a human at "both ends", or some very clever AI filling those roles.

But I think the human doing those things probably needs slightly different skills and experience than the average legacy developer.


Rules engines were designed for just such a thing. Validating input/output. You don’t need a human to prompt AI, you need a pipeline.

While a single LLM won’t replace you. A well designed system of flows for software engineering using LLMs will.


Well, who designs the system of flows?

If you ask the AI labs, the AI systems themselves will build these kinds of workflows for themselves.

That's the goal.


How about another AI? And who prompts that AI? You're right - another AI!

With all these AIs chaining and prompting eachother, we're approaching the point where some unlucky person is going to ask an AI something and it will consume all the energy in the universe trying to compute the answer.

Legit it is actually becoming a marketing game just to get a job now.

I saw a guy on social media the other day in the street with a resume placard.


Whole milk was forbidden in US schools?

Almost surreal how wrong people with a absolute sense of certainly can be. Every time you hear "experts say X is terrible for you" you basically start the clock on the news article "new experts say X is wonderful for you".

One wonders what else will be found to have been a load of crap. At this point if I heard "drinking improves your driving skills" I'd barely be surprised.


Except articles like this are doing it again, just swinging the pendulum in the opposite direction.

The best reading of the cardiovascular literature based on meta-analyses is not that saturated fat is better for you, but that it's probably not worse. Even there the literature is complicated by the fact many of the studies are done in people with preexisting cardiovascular disease, whose functioning might not be improved by dietary changes. There's kind of a paradox sometimes found, in that replacing saturated fat in RCTs with unsaturated fat improves metabolic profiles and decreases minor CVD outcomes, but doesn't affect major ones — but that sometimes depends on what someone's cardiovascular functioning is already like.

Their take on the diet literature in this article is pure nonsense. The best literature suggests overall no difference between types of diets, only overall actual caloric decrease, with a smaller effect of exercise.

There's also emerging evidence that all of this is individual-specific, so some people might respond best to a low-carb-high-saturated-fat diet, and others to a low-fat-high carb one. E.g.: https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2023/05/19/1176905...

I've been to research symposia where they've replicated findings where they go back and reanalyze RCT data and show that longitudinally, people vary wildly in responses to different diets. So even though there's no difference in the RCTs between types of diet overall, specific people respond best to one or the other.


I think one reason is morbid curiosity about how bad other people can be.

Many of the stories there are just incomprehensible that a person can behave like described in the story and then when met with a boundary act as if they're the one who's been momentously wronged.

Kind of makes one sad how little punishment there is in the world vs how much wrong.


But is he not orange and bad?

I think the problem might be that taking personal responsibility for one's own morality and beliefs is a burden that's too much, too scary, for many people.

It feels a lot safer and more comfortable to simply look around you and draw your morals from what everyone else is saying and doing.

There's something isolating about trying to be good.


The dude strikes me as not having had a particularly happy life. Damn. RIP.

Must be pretty bad at tech. He became the richest person on earth through engineering plays. Pretty bad though.

Unfortunately he's probably right. It's a "better the devil you know" situation, and those institutionally and ethnically aligned with the regime fear its collapse more. From what I've read anyway.

This is not evidence of anything.

Who's saying both aren't crap?

I reckon Netanyahu and the Ayatollah would've been good friends in another life.


It baffles me every time people put this opinion forward. For me, every time I see allies of the Kremlin (ayatollahs, palestinians), and allies of the US (ie. Israel), I assume they won't get along.

Can't remember the last time that was wrong.


One quite obvious difference between those two is that the Ayatollah seems to be fine with gunning down his own citizens.

Nothing says legitimacy like having to shoot people en masse in the street

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