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1. It's not unique to the play store, as a matter of fact, this started in the iOS app store and was "adopted" by Google. It could definitely be improved though, i.e. if all potential in-app purchases were listable via the store page, like on steam for example

2. The prices were mentioned in the comment you're responding to.


> this started in the iOS app store and was "adopted" by Google

I can see prices for in-app purchases in the iOS App Store.


Where? Just checked on every app I've purchased in app unlocks and none of them have any indicator for these unlocks (or others that are still available) on their app store page.

The only way to see them - from my experience which I just verified - is to go into the app and go into the relevant menu's of the apps.

Please explain where you're able to see this information on the app store on iOS or iPadOS


It's in the app store's app listing, just under age rating. It says "in app purchases: yes", which you can expand to show all purchase options.

https://back.ww-cdn.com/superstatic/docs-res/41269/in-appfin...


Is this maybe only available for some regions or opt-in for the developer? I this UX doesn't exist on my devices running on 26.2 in the apps I checked. I just verified again but no luck

/Edit: found it! that is way too hidden - Would never have found that without your explicit mention and gif link!

After exploring some more on the play store too, There is actually a similar UI in the app details there too, it doesn't list all items but the price range (cheapest item to most expensive item). Definitely worse then having all items listed, but both could be improved imo by listing them as repeatable purchases, temporary licenses, forever unlocked etc) for informed consent before install. I'd never install any app which has repeatable transactions for example


The issue with solutions like that is usually that people don't know how it works and how to find it if it ever stops working...

Basically discoverability is where shell script fail


Those scripts have logs, right? Log a hostname and path when they run. If no one thinks to look at logs, then there's a bigger problem going on than a one-off script.

That becomes a problem if you let the shell script mutate into an "everything" script that's solving tons of business problems. Or if you're reinventing kubernetes with shell scripts. There's still a place for simple solutions to simple problems.

That's happens naturally as every engineer adds just another feature to it.

You can literally have a 20 line Python script on cron that verifies if everything ran properly and fires off a PagerDuty if it didn't. And it looks like PagerDuty even supports heartbeat so that means even if your Python script failed, you could get alerted.

Which is why you take the time to put usage docs in the repo README, make sure the script is packaged and deployed via the same methods that the rest of the company uses, and ensure that it logs success/failure conditions. That's been pretty standard at every organization I've been at my entire professional career. Anyone who can't manage that is going to create worse problems when designing/building/maintaining a more complex system.

Yah. A lot of the complexity in data movement or processing is unneeded. But decent standardized orchestration, documentation, and change management isn't optional even for the 20 line shell script. Thankfully, that stuff is a lot easier for the 20 line standard shell script.

Or python. The python3 standard library is pretty capable, and it's ubiquitous. You can do a lot in 50-100 lines (counting documentation) with no dependencies. In turn it's easy to plug into the other stuff.


> Basically discoverability is where shell script fail

No, it's lack of documentation and no amount of $$$$/m enterprise AI solutions (R)(TM) would help you if there is no documentation.


It's mind boggling if you think about the fact they're essential "just" statistical models

It really contextualizes the old wisdom of Pythagoras that everything can be represented as numbers / math is the ultimate truth


They are not just statistical models

They create concepts in latent space which is basically compression which forces this


You’re describing a complex statistical model.

Debatable I would argue. It's definitely not 'just a statistical model's and I would argue that the compression into this space fixes potential issues differently than just statistics.

But I'm not a mathematics expert if this is the real official definition I'm fine with it. But are you though?


I am, and yes, that's what a statistical model is.

What is "latent space"? I'm wary of metamagical descriptions of technology that's in a hype cycle.


its a statistical term, a latent variable is one that is either known to exist, or believed to exist, and then estimated.

consider estimating the position of an object from noisy readings. One presumes that position to exist in some sense, and then one can estimate it by combining multiple measurements, increasing positioning resolution.

its any variable that is postulated or known to exist, and for which you run some fitting procedure


I'm disappointed that you had to add the 'metamagical' to your question tbh

It doesn't matter if ai is in a hype cycle or not it doesn't change how a technology works.

Check out the yt videos from 1blue3brown he explains LLMs quite well. .your first step is the word embedding this vector space represents the relationship between words. Father - grandfather. The vector which makes a father a grandfather is the same vector as mother to grandmother.

You the use these word vectors in the attention layer to create a n dimensional space aka latent space which basically reflects a 'world' the LLM walks through. This makes the 'magic' of LLMs.

Basically a form of compression by having higher dimensions reflecting kind a meaning.

Your brain does the same thing. It can't store pixels so when you go back to some childhood environment like your old room, you remember it in some efficient (brain efficient) way. Like the 'feeling' of it.

That's also the reason why an LLM is not just some statistical parrot.


> It doesn't matter if ai is in a hype cycle or not it doesn't change how a technology works.

It does change what people say about it. Our words are not reality itself; the map is not the territory.

Are you saying people should take everything said about LLMs at face value?


Being dismissive of technical terms on hn because something seems to be a hype is really weird.

It's the reason why I'm here because we discuss more technically about technology


I wasn't dismissive, just wary. As a new account, it's odd to be lecturing people on behavior. You're the one diverting the conversation.

I'm in hn for 10 years.

I spend too much time here and decided to delete my account to interact less.

It's partially working though


How so? Truth is naturally an apriori concept; you don't need a chatbot to reach this conclusion.

You'll be surprised to know that there are still some mice that don't support that. Admittedly, I've only had that happen once in the last 15 yrs in a budget "gamer" mouse I instantly returned and replaced with a Logitech g903 at the time (though I've switched mice twice since, and both supported it)

I got the 49" version of the dell Alienware display (basically this one size down with different branding and stand)... . From my perspective you're looking at it incorrectly, the point isn't to be able to look at everything at the same time, it's to be able to quickly glance from the one side to another.

Let's say I have an ide open, I will likely not look at the directory structure often, but I want an easy way to switch files - fantastic for having it available just by glancing over

Now you run tests, start the application etc. It also doesn't need to be in your view, all the time - but isn't it convenient to be able to just look where you know it's?

It's suboptimal for competitive gaming however, exactly for the reason you said. Scenic gaming on the other hand is improved by it, because the larger screen is more innersive


I used to be happy with virtual desktops. Then I switched to macOS. What a mess it is: from the irritating virtual desktop animations that delay you, to the annoying keyboard shortcuts that don’t work in full screen mode, I’ve decided to just move on to multiple monitors or maybe one big display.

And it used to be better -- you could use TotalSpaces which would make Spaces two-dimensional and let you turn off the animation. But they took that from us!

There is a way of using Stage Manager as though it was Spaces, with minimal animations, but it takes a lot of getting used to and it's still not great.


If your plan is to physically move your head to look at the peripheral anyway, then this is much cheaper to achieve by putting a second monitor alongside your primary monitor (I keep an older 2560x1440 in portrait alongside my main 4k display)

Scenic gaming seems pretty niche outside of dedicated flight/driving sim setups? And regular gaming often kind of sucks on ultrawides - way too few games have decent options to pull the HUD into the center region of the display


Modern?

It's been over a decade since this became a norm...

And 10 years since https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17636032

The link sadly seems to be dead though


I consider a decade ago modern

You're not wrong, but most people on this forum are generally positive about companies using private APIs (which this is) for a competitive advantage.

This is pretty undisputed I think... So if we're going to condemn anthropic for it, it'd be pretty one-sided unless we also took it up with any other companies doing so, like Apple, Google, ... And frankly basically all closed source companies.

It's just coincidentally more obvious with this Claude code API because the only difference between it and the public one is the billing situation...

The only basis we'd have to argue otherwise is that the subscription predates Claude code

https://www.anthropic.com/news/claude-pro (years ago)

But I didn't think we're strangers to companies pivoting the narrative like this


Then you're living in one of the cheapest areas for electricity prices in Europe, the opposite of what you said.

https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php...

Scroll a little down and you see a breakdown by country

E.g.

https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php...


I am in Lithuania, which has one of the highest wholesale energy prices in Europe (as per nord pool): https://data.nordpoolgroup.com/auction/day-ahead/prices?deli...

That it is not translating into a higher cost to the consumer (as evidenced on your link) is likely indicative of other costs being incurred by the “average” consumer in those countries with a higher domestic rate - like massive markup from users being tied into inflated contracts due to the 2022 shock where rates across Europe were more than double what they are now.

Also, these are residential prices - business prices are usually much lower (wholesale discounts, subsidies, no VAT, lower delivery charges).

As per my response to the initial comment - there is no way a datacentre in Europe is paying 30c/kWh


Business prices should be figure 6 in my link, while the difference is a lot smaller, Lithuania is definitely one of the cheaper countries, beating the EU average slightly.

> As per my response to the initial comment - there is no way a datacentre in Europe is paying 30c/kWh

Hetzner prices it at 33c/wh as of last year I believe, previously it was 40c (after the pipeline was destroyed)

But Germany is pretty much in the 3 most expensive countries wrt electricity cost in the EU - both for consumers and commercial pricing


> Lithuania is definitely one of the cheaper countries

And yet has one of the highest wholesale rates...

> Hetzner prices it at...

Hertzner are reselling. They make a profit on energy resale. Their rate also includes a substantial buffer on the actual rate to account for volatility. Their rate is most likely less than half of what they are passing on for colo.

For reference, last year German industrial energy prices were around 10c/kWh INCLUDING taxes and network fees - and the government are looking to subsidize that further to target 5c/kWh: https://www.gleisslutz.com/en/know-how/germany-cuts-costs-el...


You're talking about select industries which are being supported via subventions, data centers are not included. If you pay attention to the wording in your cited article, they've said so as well.

And hetzner does not have a large upsell for their energy prices, they're pretty much passing in the price as-is according to their own statements (from the large increase to 40c)

Almost all commercial applications need to pay the quoted prices around what's shown in figure 6


Ok, it seems I am mistaken that this subsidy applies to datacenter (apparently there is ongoing discussions to include them for this reason).

That said - I 100% don't believe that hertzner are simply passing on the price for their colo clients. Where did you read that they are not making a profit off electricity resale?

Here is another link discussing industrial energy prices WITHOUT reductions: https://www.smard.de/page/en/topic-article/213922/216044

So less than 17c/kWh in 2024, and likely another 2c when adjusted for current wholesale prices and network fees.


> That said - I 100% don't believe that hertzner are simply passing on the price for their colo clients. Where did you read that they are not making a profit off electricity resale?

That's indeed probably untrue, you're most likely correct there.

The statement was wrt the increase (they're passing on the increase in cost, not that they're mirroring the cost the energy provider!)

And after thinking about it some more, they absolutely have to make a significant upcharge, as they need to pay for wiring to the rented and housed devices, Large battery banks for temporary fail over and finally diesel generators if power is down for an extended period of time (that has all been demoed via YouTubers like derBauer )


Some countries also employ progressive electricity pricing such that higher energy consumption leads to elevated kWh rates incentivizing conservation. This is also not visible in the stats above. I also think that business kWh rates are actually higher than for the households in some instances.

Yeah, strictly business vs residential isn’t a good comparison either really, as the lower transmission fees for medium (10kV+) and higher voltage are where a lot of the savings are - and obv a lot of business don’t use such power.

What???

Every thread on HN that touches on the topic has countless people talking about how LLM generated code is always bad, buggy and people that utilize them are inexperienced juniors that don't understand anything.

And they're not completely wrong. If you don't know what you're doing, you'll absolutely create dumster fires instead of software


Sure, I am one of the people who will say that. But where are the people calling for it to be banned? Where are the stores and websites that are banning AI generated software?

I feel like part of the difference is how art vs code is viewed. You could make the argument code is art, though most don't have that stance. Visual art and music tend to be made by a few people, there is ego involved, you care who the artist is. Code tends to be made by shops and consumers don't know who the coders are. Programmers are already faceless.

I think it's also about money. Places code and code samples are stored tend to be large companies that are in tech and on the AI hype wagon. Bandcamp is not one of those places.


There's one popular platform that requires disclosing whether and how AI was used (Steam), and if you search anything about it, all you can find is like a sea of articles opposing it.


Yes and it was probably only done because of people complaining about AI art, not AI code.

Really? You've not seen the numerous open source projects banning AI-generated PRs with extreme prejudice?

That's not really the same as stores outright banning AI code.

An apt analogy would be like a shared drawing taking merge requests and having to spend 30 minutes looking at every single merge request zoomed in to see if there was a microscopic phallus embedded somewhere.

It is completely fair for an open source project to have their own standards, and you are also free to fork it so you can accept as many AI PRs as you want.

None of these options are available for someone that wants to sell AI generated music. There are really only 2 marketplaces to sell your own music and if both of them banned AI, then you are effectively locked out of the entire market.


Positing that AI generated code is always bad and buggy is delusional.

I have dozens of little programs and websites that are AI generated and do their job perfectly.


The reality is that almost nobody actually wants LLMs in their phones.

They're not good enough for that usecase, currently - so almost all interactions make the UX worse, currently.

Might change in the future, I'm just taking about today in January 2026


I think this is the wrong framing. Nobody cares whether there's an LLM in their phone. What people do want is features like improved Siri (still, debatable beyond setting timers) or other improvements, that could potentially come from LLMs.... if they actually work. So far other providers (such as Amazon Alexa) have struggled to deliver a reliable voice assistant powered by LLMs.

I’m almost certain even something as ad-hoc as Opus 4.5 with access to iOS native APIs at the level of Siri exposed via MCP would run circles around Siri in January 2026.

It would, but it would also result in a bunch of users getting hacked through prompt injection attacks.

I strongly agree with this. Frankly even ChatGPT 3.5 could do better. I am baffled that Apple has stuck so stubbornly to whatever insane architecture they have that results in my daily cornucopia of "I'm sorry, I didn't understand" as well as own goals like it forgetting that Apple Music is the only music service I have, or calling a girl I haven't seen in 20 years instead of my wife who has the same first name.

I am also baffled that how common I do something never updates the model. I often use Siri to start a playlist while running but had to rename them because Siri would play some unknown to me public playlist instead of what would seem to me be the highest likelihood target - my own

> The reality is that almost nobody actually wants LLMs in their phones.

I don’t think that’s true. People just use the LLM apps. What people don’t feel like they need right now is deep LLM integration across the whole OS. IMO, that’s more of just not showing people the killer product yet.


Live translation? Circle to search? All the magic reframing and relighting stuff in the camera app? I don't know how good the Apple equivalents are, but those are all deeply integrated into Android and are used pretty heavily as far as I can see.

I don't often use voice assistants myself, but they're fully conversational these days and several billion times more useful than the old-school Alexa-style stuff with a limited set of integrations.


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