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Verbose = fitting for announcing news about a newsletter startup, no? :)


hey! This is andrew from a16z -- substack is still relatively new (~2 years) and the product is solving a real problem for writers. The numbers are already strong, but think about where it might be over the next 5-10 years. I think your calculation focuses too much on where it is now versus where it might go in the future


Profits scaling were already discussed in a comment above, ofc, this assumes linear growth where substack is charging (as it is now) only on subscription without going in for revenue from promotional activities (internal promotion of content), advertisements (external sponsors), reader/creator data (google model) or digital/print publishing (leverage of user base substack reach out) in form of a (e)book. Yes, this can make profit multiplier really big (12M/yr subscription + 50x from else)

But what about integrity of service over time then?

All of this means losing initial flavor of 'doing-things-differently', a lot of other companies can provide boilerplate '-stack' for publishing newsletter (ie, recent yc news -https://github.com/knadh/listmonk - self hosted). So, in the end, the only edge of content hosting platform is how well it delivers it's content (UX, rec systems, internal ads), the bigger substack gets, the less of an edge for its creator base it will have - same as medium.com.

I risk a statement that substack is happening only because medium.com is ending.

Yes, as an author I would be interested in hassle free publishing, but after that, i am interested only in how service is helping me grow an audience, nothing else.


I mentioned in my other comment (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20453558) that I think the potential for writers here — of being a Blogger/WordPrss.com for newsletters, is the opportunity. It’s about being a platform.


I agree, Andrew. I think that the current model is only the tip of the iceberg for what Substack can achieve once it reaches critical mass.


Android has a couple of these things.


OP here. This was published Aug 15, 2012.


I actually specifically talk about CAC and LTV and why enterprise/SaaS can drive higher revenues over time. There's a whole section for it.


google is your friend.


Unfortunately there's some morality clauses in many investment funds that keep them from investing in something like that. Same class as porn, gambling, etc. Might be great for an individual investor though.


that's one data point. Not saying it never happens, and in fact, Dating Ring raised $500k or so. But here's a lot more commentary on the topic: https://www.cbinsights.com/blog/dating-startup-venture-capit...


So Shasta, IDG, Cowboy, XSeed, Khosla, Lowercase, etc are not mainstream?

Here's some more data points. According to AngelList

https://angel.co/online-dating ~38,000 investors

https://angel.co/cryptocurrency-2 ~989 investors

https://angel.co/travel-tourism ~1,082 investors

Yet the market for Travel is $300b (online) and the dating one is $2b (online).

How does that constitute as investors not wanting to invest into dating startups when there's 38x as many investors (by absolute numbers) as travel and yet the market is 150th the size? Seems like it's quite the opposite, no?

If anything the talking point here should be "why are so many people investing in dating apps when their returns aren't great?"

It'd be also helpful to define what you consider "mainstream" before drawing a conclusion...


You're being pedantic. I'm not saying that literally no dating products are getting funded - in fact, I'm an advisor to CoffeeMeetsBagel which is on that list. Just that there's major resistance (which that article talks about) and there isn't very much funding for the category compared to a "hot" category like SaaS/on-demand/messaging, etc. My point is that it's an uphill battle, and I gave the reasons why for investors are skeptical.


Travel is a misleading outlier as it has historically terrible margins and a large portion of the market volume is in airlines which historically generally lose money. On the other hand the market cap from online dating is pretty much entirely captured in online dating and isn't dominated by companies that own airplanes or hotels. "Revenue" that includes directly passed on fees is highly misleading as an indicator of relative market size. I'd rather own a company that made 1/4 as much than a company that passed 90% of revenue to other companies.


Expedia's 1.1B EBITDA alone last year [0] was nearly half of all of the revenues for online dating services...

[0] - http://www.wikinvest.com/stock/Expedia_%28EXPE%29/Data/EBITD...


Not saying I disagree but travel is the poster child of structurally disadvantaged startup ideas:

Travel planning software: The most common bad startup idea

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8419658

So maybe it is not surprising to find few investors in it?


For the record, I'd heard of none of those companies, and I've been around HN a while.


Thanks. I did totally botch the math, I typed this up in one go and mixed up the formula, thanks for pointing it out. Updated to be more accurate.


OP here. You're right, I'll update for math.


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