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How did this get coopted to a black studies association? Going back 30-40 years we see classical studies, like "Ethics and Society in the Ancient(?) World".


First slowly and then quickly

I suspect that the online conventions did not allow for nuance in discussions, and the politically correct faction took over


My company allows fully flexible work, but due to the nature of our work we tend to hire locally. A recruiter made a mistake and arranged an interview for me in the wrong city, and I was hired as the only fully remote employee for a local team.

Does it have challenges? Yes. Am I a valued employee? Yes, I am potentially one of the most valuable employees after my first year in my team. Easily top 20%.

I visit my team every few months for a week. Mostly the point is so we can go out for dinner and I get to have some drinks with them. The workday itself is changed very little by being in person.


They do it because his political views don't align with their own. It's a fairly simple thing to understand about human nature.


I was a fan of Musk until only recently with the dealings with Twitter. Right off the bat treating peoples livelihoods as a joke was wrong and cruel. This isn't some sensationalized political story, he literally started off the acquisition carrying a sink into the Twitter HQ and thought it was hilarious.

But I still totally agree, arguments to downplay his role in Tesla are totally illogical. Founder or whatever, he took control of a company that was totally irrelevant and led it to 1+ million vehicle per year, 10s of billion revenue, and pretty undeniably caused a huge momentum shift in the industry.


he's had a similar attitude with employees at TSLA for over a decade now - the difference is everyone who joined Tesla knew what they were getting into.

But literally his first act as CEO of Tesla in 2008 was to lay off 20% of the company. He's always been very fire-happy.


He value truth more that the jobs of the former employees at Twitter.

The Twitter files tell us about the level of corruption going on with real implication on the live of way more people that the select few that worked at Twitter.


Alternatively: Because he literally is not a founder and is often portrayed as one (such as in GP’s comment)

But also yeah, generally he gets a lot of hate for a long and increasingly public track record of being a jerk.

For example, big jerk move to announce he’s “switching parties” to try to frontrun a story about him sexually harassing an employee. Dragging 300MM people already in a lot of stress and cultural tension into your own sexual misconduct issues is really bad form IMO.


They do it because the narrative is that all good people are smart and all bad people are stupid. Everyone must do everything that good smart people say and ignore everything bad stupid people say.

When Elon changed his political opinions, articles were generated to tell people he's stupid so he could then be called a bad person without violating the narrative.


I'm not sure that even remotely tracks if you're trying to imply that the American left claims that everyone that agrees with them is the only smart people. If anything a lot of their narrative is that they're oppressed by people who are smart and better at politics and business than they are.

Did Elon ever really change his political opinions? Or just become more clear about them? Either way, I think a lot of it was the Twitter takeover just going full "he's either taking this 0% seriously, or doing the most insane maneuver ever" and I'm not sure the evidence has come down on the side of him being all that serious about it.

You can debate if it'll ultimately work out better for him/Tesla/Twitter, but it certainly seems like he's playing pretty loose with his money, Tesla's future, and a lot of other things.

There's a lot of articles about how he maybe is doing something dumb because he may be doing something dumb. It's not the first time he's done it, and most of the things I've seen have included a caveat that this could very well work out.


Think about the number of times that Donald Trump got called stupid starting from when he launched his presidential campaign. You may hate the guy's politics, but he is objectively not dumb, but the "bad people are dumb, smart people are good" narrative must be reinforced relentlessly. It's the golden hammer of political propaganda because IT WORKS!

The counter for Donald Trump being stupid is that Greta Thurnberg is smart and good and everyone must listen to her and do what she says when she is at best very average.


Trump historically hasn’t been stupid, but that doesn’t mean much in the present. Age gets everyone and his frontal cortex doesn’t exactly seem in shape.

Beyond his usual behavior of believing the last thing anyone told him, when you let him in front of kids he tells them Santa isn’t real, he gave a bunch of Boy Scouts an unrehearsed speech mostly anecdotes about high society parties he went to as a kid in NYC… is that “smart”?

(Also, after he got hospitalized for covid, it was notable he kept bragging in public that he’d passed a dementia test.)


Both Bush Jr and Trump actively played dumb as political theater. That is not the same as the narrative switching to Elon being dumb (and totally not even an engineer, can’t even code lol) the second it became clear he held right wing opinions and planned to act on them.


> When Elon changed his political opinions

Has he changed his political opinions?

His downfall to me started when he called an actual hero a pedo for no reason at all, except to salve his damaged ego.


Elon is a litmus test for nerds. You can tell a lot about an engineer by when they decide(d) Elon is a clown. No doubts the insanity started long before the cave diver defamation incident (although this was the turning point for me personally as well)

If you're a techie that is still holding onto Elon as a hero, good businessman or otherwise decent human being after the Twitter fiasco I'm not sure there is much left to save (or the horse incident, or the time he had secret children with an employee, and the time he stole Grimes' eggs to have a child with a surrogate, and the time he.... )


Yeah, he's kind of went down the Q-anon route if you watch his increasingly deranged tweets. He's always been a troll but he's increasingly spouting dangerous thoughts. I knew something was up when my family from the southeast US started supporting him.


> dangerous thoughts

It's getting awful tough to separate the serious from the satire nowadays.


I think assuming any white guy living in Thailand is a sex tourist was pretty common up through the 2000s. It’s like the kind of joke you’d expect South Park to make.


Not the political views, they are irrelevant. His others views make him really unsympathetic.


As a Christian, I find Elon to be an immoral man, but I still think that he is an objectively successful entrepreneur and an engineer who's extremely skilled in execution. Why does his viewpoint on things irrelevant to business and engineering matter in this discussion?


I recommend reading this guys books: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bart_D._Ehrman

You're in a cult, and you dont know it. I was raised in this cult too, now I see the light (so to speak)


I don't believe the Bible is the inerrant word of God, so this book wouldn't 'help' me. Thanks for the tip though.

Also, this is again irrelevant to the discussion of Musk's business/engineering prowess.


> It's a fairly simple thing to understand about human nature.

Amercian Nature.


That is O(n^2), when I believe it could have been O(n.log(n)).


It all depends on how good you are at programming / math. If you have a natural talent for those then you don't need to spend much time preparring (hence why they're used a test). People try to "cheat" the test through preparing for months.


If a person has to study leetcode for months, then either the person:

1. doesn't know much of anything about programming, and should consider taking programming courses

2. is just not cut out to be a high level programmer, and should consider a career path more suited to their abilities


False.

I've been operating as a high level programmer for over a decade and have a MsC in comp sci from a top school and a statistics/comp sci related Ph.D.

I was bored at my job and thought I'd apply at Meta. I've never really used python professionally (more of an R person, though I've solo dev'ed apps which have been in clinical usage for 3+ years with typescript front ends).

Did hours of leetcode over the course of 2 months to prep, because I was bored at my job and I thought it would be a fun way to improve my python skills.

Failed the coding section of the interview. Feedback was:

"The candidate clearly understands the problem and is an excellent communicator, but seems rusty with python."

No worries and no complaints, the story has a happy ending.


> Feedback was:

> "The candidate clearly understands the problem and is an excellent communicator, but seems rusty with python."

The feedback is always worthless. It may -- or may not[1] -- honestly reflect what the interviewer thought of you, but the interview process is not set up to produce reliable results, which means that what they thought of you isn't really related to your characteristics. There is only a very tenuous connection between their assessment of you and your performance.

[1] The last time I interviewed with Google, the recruiter congratulated me on doing well in the interviews and told me to expect a job offer. What followed was multiple weeks of silence (technically, not silence, they also asked me to make changes to my resume) and then the message that they were not interested in hiring me because my interview performance was poor. Whatever else we may say about this, we cannot avoid the conclusion that some of the feedback you get consists of intentional lies.


That's just the problem though, isn't it? Because the leetcode format is known, unless the person tells you, how would you know they studied for months to pass it?

Brilliant person A does leetcode for a week to get the hang of the format, then interviews and gets a job offer. Person B who just isn't brilliant but is highly motivated, studies leetcode for months, interviews, and also gets the job.

You might have fantasies of outlawing "studying for months for the test" but be real. Person whos "is just not cut out to be a high level programmer, and should consider a career path more suited to their abilities", it turns out, is doing just fine with their career path having studied for the test.

I also think calendar time is the wrong way to measure it, since there's a huge difference between studied leetcode for 40 hours a week like it's your job or being in school; and studied leetcode for 4 hours on Friday nights instead of going out, for months.


I don't see the problem. If one studies leetcode for months, and passes the test, that's a pretty good sign he learned a lot about programming from it. How could he not learn by doing all this studying?

It's like saying someone cheated on a Calculus exam by studying Calculus.

> not cut out to be a high level programmer

I think that was misunderstood. I'll try again. If one studies for months and yet fails to learn the material, perhaps one is not suited to that field of endeavor. There are certain things others excel at that I would just fruitlessly beat my head into a wall trying. For example, anything involving hand-eye coordination or a musical instrument.

And so what? Sometimes people ask me what kind of career they should pursue, and I don't say "STEM". I advise draw a circle around things you're good at, and another circle around things that pay, and your career is in the intersection.


The fungus probably isn't normally eaten. Shrimp shells aren't exactly a treat.


The Gamechangers

I'm not even joking. I recongise most of the documentary is heavily biased, i.e. erections. However, all four of my biological grandparents had heart issues. I'm in my 30's and have a "hefty" build. Being vegan on a whole food type diet would drastically reduce the odds of me dying from heart disease.


I'm not your OP but I learnt all these things at univeristy during my BCompSci. Understanding ML algorithms came down to a lot of math / statistics units. I learnt about parallel computing during a dedicated unit called "Distributed and Parallel Computing"


I recently had a recruiter make a mistake with what city I live in and she organised an interview for me with a team based 800km away. I did so well in the interview that the team is making a single remote position for me. The company does have an office here I can work from when I don't want to WFH.

When the pay is right, I agree that remote employees don't have to be bottom of the barrel.


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